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One of the local businessmen just came into my office and told me that a local charity in Salem, NH is selling bubble-gum to raise money for a shelter for battered women.
Sounds like a great idea right?

And the flavor of this gum is? :roll:

Well, naturally it has to be “Punch” #-o

I’m thinking that someone made a pretty poor decision with the choice of this fundraiser’s flavor.

If you come across something as tasteless as this post it here so we can all have a good chuckle at someone else’s stupidity.


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Well, I'm not sure that this falls under the "Tasteless" category, but it definitely falls under "stupid". Or should I say, "intellectually deferred?"

UGH!

From Yahoo News:
LONDON (Reuters) - The word "fail" should be banned from use in British classrooms and replaced with the phrase "deferred success" to avoid demoralizing pupils, a group of teachers has proposed.

Members of the Professional Association of Teachers (PAT) argue that telling pupils they have failed can put them off learning for life.

A spokesman for the group said it wanted to avoid labeling children. "We recognize that children do not necessarily achieve success first time," he said.

"But I recognize that we can't just strike a word from the dictionary," he said.

The PAT said it would debate the proposal at a conference next week

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Wow that was poor.
For a moment I thought you were going to say that the fundraiser was selling gum to raise money for the American Dental Association.
:)

If you think about it, it would be dumb, unless you are a dentist.

Then when the kids' teeth need fixing, you're all over it.

This is of course setting all ethics aside.
:)

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Dr.? Ethics? huh?

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Nothing really stupid here. . .although as a hotelier:

- I had a guest ask me how many beds were in his room. Not a spectacular example of stupidity you say? Well, he called from his ROOM.

COUNT THE BEDS IN FRONT OF YOU

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I’m hoping I just got a prank call.

A gentleman just called my office to inquire about renting a truck to go one way. His destination? Hawaii!

Please let that be a prank call. I really don’t want to believe that someone that stupid actually exists.

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Wow…This story really caught my eye!

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (Aug. 22) - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson called on Monday for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him a "terrific danger" to the United States.

Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, said on "The 700 Club" it was the United States' duty to stop Chavez from making Venezuela a "launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."

Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous.

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said.

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Gee…and here I was, under the impression that Pat Robertson was a Christian. Wasn’t he the one spearheading the movement to get the Ten Commandments posted at every public school in America? Didn’t he rally against the Supreme Court when they ruled that the monument to the Ten Commandments had to be removed from the Alabama court house? What ever happened to “Thou shalt not kill?” I guess he must have missed that one.
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Well said Roland, apparently only certain commandments apply to Pat Robertson. Jesus' messages of love, tolerance, and peace were obviously lost on him.

It's people like him that make me not want to tell others that I am a Christian.

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Perhaps he feels he's justified because he isn't volunteering to commit this deadly sin himself. Welcome to the loopholes of the bible belt. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife...unless she's hot and you're a televangelist.

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He’s done it again…LOL

I find it highly amusing that these “T.V. God Guys” keep finding ways to dig themselves into deeper and deeper holes.

Now, I must say that I myself am not a Christian; but Pat Robertson is (or at least claims to be) and, as he seems to have no difficulty in pushing his Christian beliefs on anyone who will listen to him, I believe that we should hold him to those beliefs. What I’m saying is: If he claims to be a good Christian, then he should act accordingly. I mean, come on…he started the Christian Coalition so he should be bound by their rules.

On Monday he said: "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don't think any oil shipments will stop. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Yet on Wednesday he said: "I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out.' ‘Take him out' could be a number of things including kidnapping."

The problem with that statement is that his previous statement was ON VIDEOTAPE. There is VIDEOTAPE PROOF from HIS OWN SHOW that he said we should assassinate the leader of a foreign government.

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong; but isn’t one of those pesky little 10 Commandments something to the effect of “Thou shalt not bear false witness” (I assume the meaning of that is “you shall not lie” but these Christians are wacky folk when it comes to language) or am I totally off base?

Of course this wouldn’t be the first instance of a Christian leader ignoring their rules…their 10 Commandments…and killing a few people in the process. Maybe Jaylakes is right; maybe they should instill the “unless” clauses in all of the Commandments. Thou shalt not kill…unless it is someone you REALLY don’t like. Thou shalt not bear false witness…unless you’re in trouble. Thou shalt not steal…unless it is on a day ending in “y”…you know, common sense stuff like that…That way the Christians who actually LIVE by the bible are happy, and their religious leaders can go about their normal daily lives.

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Amen Brotha!

When I tell people I am a Christian, I don't want to be associated with the likes of Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson. Somehow they completely bypass Jesus' message and make up their own rules as the go along (but then again, isn't that what all religions do--skew the message of the prophet/savior for political favor?). I truly wonder which bible these people are reading...because I have read the bible rather extensively, particularly the new testament which these so-called Christians claim to follow, and no where in there does Jesus say, love everybody EXCEPT these people, or turn the other cheek EXCEPT in these circumstances. There are no exceptions. It's love everyone, judge not, serve all. Christianity in it's purest form is about being a GOOD HUMAN BEING. I think I can safely say that calling for the death of a fellow man goes completely against that.

Okay...getting off my spiritual soapbox.

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I suppose the part of this argument that sickens me most (having been raised baptist myself) is that there are directo correlations to the fact that the devil himself does not deny the word of God but instead knows the words and twists them to suit his evil will. We place these charletons on a spiritual pedestal and exault them as being pillars of the spiritual community. Pat Robertson calling for the assassination of a national leader. Jimmy Swaggart and his love for the working girls (red light district). Jim Baker..(no need to continue here)...all of these readily twist the truth for their own gain. Reinterpreting the word of their beloved savior to not only excuse their sins, but in some cases, to justify them. Kate is absolutely right. The bible (As it originally appeared in aramaic) was not open to misinterpretation. But it seems that somewhere int he translation, Sodom and Gomorrah got a bum rap because afterall "They were only sinners". It's about time that Christians around the world dispensed with the need for spiritual leaders and embraced the teachings for what they are. In fact, it's time that ALL religions dispensed with the fallible leaders and enjoyed the universal truths. Live your life well. Treat others as you would wish to be treated. And in the end, enjoy the gifts that are due to you in accordance with your religion of choice. Let the profiteers rot in the place the have condemned on television while they cheated true believers of their hard earned wages.

And a message to those who contribute to these tools...Cut out the middle man. If you want to see your tax deductible donations do something worth while, give directly to a reputable group that is more likely to feed a starving child than it is to run out and drop a few million on cosmetics...YES, I MEAN YOU TAMMY FAY!

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Funny quick story about the devil...I mean Jim Baker. He was in my city a few years ago visiting a church. He went out for lunch with the pastor of that church when he first arrived. While they were out to lunch 1/2 the church burned down. Including the sanctuary.

Coincidence?

I THINK NOT!

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Speaking of evil, did anyone see last week's "American Dad?" with Karl Rove? F-ing hysterical.

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Did he really say that? That wasn’t some figment of my imagination was it? Did Ray Nagin (mayor of New Orleans) really make those comments? Daaaaaamn!

If you don’t know what I’m talking about, here’s the story: On Monday (MLK Day) Mayor Ray Nagin made a speech. During the speech, Nagin , who is black, said that the hurricanes that hit the nation in quick succession were a sign of God's anger toward the United States because of the war in Iraq, and toward black communities as well, for their violence and infighting.

He went on to say that he wants New Orleans to rise up and become “a chocolate city” because "it's the way God wants it to be."

Okay…now let’s look at this. Anyone who has ever paid any attention to what I write knows that I am not a Christian; that said, it is my understanding that “God” is a merciful, loving being…why would he suddenly decide to destroy one of the poorest sections of the country? If he were going to destroy something in the United States, wouldn’t it be someplace like Hollywood—the modern day equivalent to Sodom and Gomorra? Hell he could have at least waited for Marti Gras to destroy the French Quarter…you know…to “git them dern sinners”.

As for the comment about the “chocolate city”; while I understand that 70% of New Orleans’ population is black, that comment is simply wrong. No…it’s worse than that: it’s racist. If a white man said that he wanted to make a city—any city—a “vanilla” city, every civil rights leader in the country would jump up and crucify him. The NAACP, ACLU, and every other equality group in the nation would rise up in protest until the white man was either driven out of office or assassinated. (please note that such a speech made on MLK Day would probably lead to the second conclusion)

But I guess Mayor Nagin will be forgiven with his weak, lame-ass apology, where he said "I need to be more sensitive and more aware of what I'm saying,". You think??? He went on to say that "I want everyone to be welcome in New Orleans - black, white, Asian, everybody,". My guess is that he finally remembered that it was the 90% of the white vote that got him elected in 2002, and not the 35% of the black vote. He must have realized that if he realizes his dream of a “chocolate city” he’ll be out of a job.

Just another one of those things that make you go “Duh!”

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Perhaps he was having that dream where he was on Def Comedy Jam and figured everyone would just laugh. Ah well, the pendulum of history swings again. I suppose it'll just be a few more decades and I'll see the end of a whip for looking at someone of a different race. Or perhaps whoever it is that's decided they're better that week will be more merciful and just kill us all quickly. Mayor of New Orleans. Adolf Hitler, David Duke. It's all just hate in a big loud package. I imagine we'd all be a whole lot better off if the racially opinionated windbags were just gathered up into a shuttle, and launched Wile E. Coyote style into the side of a mountain. Perhaps then the "White People" and the "Black People" could just be "People"

Of course, if anyone is bored, they can submit this suggestion to his honor the mayor.

"Shoulda said Cafe Au Lait City MORON!!!"

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Ok, I don't want to sound racist here in my response to their comments because I am not. Although I do hate anybody that uses racism to "fight racism". Like The Mr. Mayor. Tell me what you think about these things that I also believe to be racist.

Back History Month ( I believe it is still American history of how slavery was bad. Call it something different because it involves white people too.)

Miss Black USA ( Could you imagine a pageant called Miss White USA? Here is the link in case you have never heard of it. http://www.missblackusa.org/ )

BET (Black Entertainment Television) (again could you imagine WET? Why couldn't I watch this station? Are there things that only "black people" would find entertaining? Like what? Isn't that racist? Saying I wouldn't get it? http://www.bet.com/ )

BET Awards (Yes from the BET network. So a white man could not win an award? What if we gave awards to lesser deserving actors in the Oscars just because the better actor was black?)

What about hiring people because they are black alone? Isn't that what our white grandparents/great grandparents did so long ago? What's the difference? Like in the NFL you need to interview at a black candidate for every 2 white candidates. But there must be at least one. So last year when the Redskins wanted to hire Joe Gibbs (a white man) and Joe Gibbs wanted to coach there, Washington still needed to bring in a black man to interview. Would you want to go to that interview you knew you weren't going to get? Knowing you were only there because you are black?

There are many stories and many organizations that are aimed towards black people. Don't you think that if roles were reversed (like WET) the aclu and Jesse Jackson would have a field day? I honestly believe that racism will always be there. But if you just let things alone it wouldn't be as big of a problem. I'm not saying ignore it just LET'S NOT PLAY INTO IT!

Here's a story I found that I know happens everywhere in different applications all the time. I heard the same story about the Boston Fire Dept too! Who would you want to save your ass from a burning building a man in a mask that has no color that scored a 75%-100% or another man in a mask that has no color that scored 60%-74%?

Here's the story:

Charlotte Hale, News Journal (Wilmington), Aug. 3

WILMINGTON—Payday may be coming for trooper applicants not hired by the Delaware State Police because they scored too low on a literacy test that discriminated against blacks.

Federal prosecutors and attorneys for state government want to require the police agency to hire 12 black troopers and pay up to $1.425 million to applicants who did not get jobs solely because of their test score.

The resolution, however, is not final, even though parties on both sides of the case proposed it in a motion filed Tuesday in U.S. District Court.

{snip}

In May 2003, Jordan ruled that black troopers were disproportionately eliminated from consideration for police jobs because they scored lower than the required 75 percent on the multiple-choice test.

In a final ruling 10 months later, Jordan said state government failed to prove the need for setting the passing score that high. Applicants who scored as low as 66 percent to 70 percent still would have been qualified for police work, the judge said. He found no reason to think racial animus motivated the use of the test, however.

Since then, the two sides have been trying to resolve how to compensate the applicants who unfairly lost an opportunity to work for Delaware State Police.

Those eligible for financial compensation under the proposal include 104 blacks who applied unsuccessfully for police jobs between 1992 and 1998 and scored at least 66 percent on the test.

They also would have to show they met other minimum qualifications for the job, would not have failed a background check and other screenings and did not withdraw from the application process on their own.

The state also would have to try to hire 12 black troopers from among the unsuccessful applicants, if any still are interested. The federal government would monitor that process.

The proposal would not resolve what score these applicants must have received on their test to be considered for the new openings.

State government wants to set the score at 70 percent. Federal prosecutors prefer 66 percent. The final decision would be left to Jordan.

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What's all this hub-bub about? Everyone knows that cops can't read!

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Way to go America. There's no reason to expect a higher grade of intellect for our civil servants. I say if people can't meet the bar that's been set, we should lower the bar, give them money to cheer them up for being stupid, and proceed to give them a gun and a job that entitles them to carry it 8 or more hours a day. Afterall, I wouldn't want a cop to think first before squeezing that trigger. It's official, the next generation of Barney Fifes is on it's way in.

In the words of Tom Lehrer.

" one of the many fine things one has to admit is the way that the army has carried the American democratic ideal to its logical conclusion in the sense that not only do they prohibit discrimination on the grounds of race, creed, and color, but also on the grounds of ability."

And now we can say the same for Delaware's mediocre...seeing as demanding the finest was determined to be racist. Good work Delaware. Keep lowering the bar. Give the retarded a gun, a check, and a chance.

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=D>

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:roll: This one just made my head hurt…check this out: :roll:

BROCKTON, Mass. -- A Brockton first-grader was suspended from school for three days last month after school officials said that he sexually harassed a girl in his class.
NewsCenter 5's Jim Boyd reported Tuesday that officials at the Downey Elementary School called the boy's mother, Berthena Dorinvil, on Jan. 30, and asked her to pick up her child from the school. Dorinvil said that officials told her that her son was being suspended for sexually harassing a 6-year-old female classmate.
"My son told me that the girl touched him first, so he touched her back," Dorinvil said. "I was shocked. I was crying. I was out of control," Dorinvil said.
School officials would not speak on camera, and police officers were posted at the school Tuesday afternoon. The school superintendent released a statement that said, "The safety and well-being of Brockton public school students and staff is of the utmost important to us, and we take all allegations of sexual harassment seriously."

WHAT??? A six-year-old??? sexual harassment??? Do six-year-olds know what sex is??? When I was six-years-old—a long long time ago—(shut up Jeremy) it was customary to punch the girls you liked in the arm and then yell “eewww girls are icky.” I guess times have changed.

Am I the only one who believes the Brocton School Officials have too much time on their hands?

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OK, I have a 6 year old daughter. So being in the shoes of the girls parents...I would want to know the whole story and the story you published here does not have all the story. I would want to know what kind of touching....is it an innocent touch? As far as punching girls at that age...No, I was full aware of girls then. There were a few things I did that if a boy did it to my daughter at that age I would flip out. Innocent yes but at the same time...it was not right.

Again, I think we need the whole story here. Maybe the girl needed to be suspended too. Remember that suspension is not expultion. Maybe they needed to seperate these two while they figured out how to handle the situation.

Just a point of view from a dad.

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From what I saw on the news last night, the little boy supposedly touched her with two fingers on the back. Far from a sexually indecent place.

In my opinion, the school was waaaay out of line on this one. He didn't touch any "private" parts or say anything inappropriate. Give me a fricken break.

George, you did worse when you used to kiss the girl in kindergarten. Hell, I could have accused some boys of sexual harassment in kindergarten because they kissed me.

Where does it end?

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At 6 years old I recall having a boyfriend... I was so proud when he kissed my hand on the jungle gym... but I CERTAINLY wouldn't consider that sexual harrassment... things have gotten way too far. But then again... When I was younger I don't recall kids being as "sexually active" as they are now. At least here in houston... the kids here are VERY promiscuous. Kids at are having kids all the time. (That 13 year old at JC Penney's is no longer "babysitting"... as they used to...) They're learning about sex at younger and younger ages. From other kids, TV, internet, parents who don't feel censorship is important, and sadly... abuse. So although we would like to think it impossible, a young child may, in fact, be able to sexually harrass another child. Though in my opinion, I really don't think they would fully understand what they are doing. I believe they are more or less acting out what they see in their lives. "Innocent Curiosity" isn't so much a factor anymore, because of the extent of what kids are now exposed to. "I'll show you mine, if you show me yours"... is now in some cases replaced by outright "invitations"... kids are no longer maintaining that clueless childhood "innocence" that most of us had growing up. It's a shame really...

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I'm going to admit an embarrassing moment here but it is an example of what can happen. :oops:

When I was in the Central School (I am not sure the grade) I remember getting in trouble because a girl was climbing up the basketball hoop pole. Well I came up from behind her and pulled her pants down. I think it was only pants. It was all in fun and not for any sexual thrill that I remember but I was in trouble. I didn't get suspended I was let known how bad it was and I never did it again...Well to any unsuspecting girl anyway.

Again I don't know the girls side of the story I haven't heard about her or her parents being in the media but if it was only two fingers on her back (which I find hard to believe) then what I had done would have been a lot worse, A LOT! Again I was talked to and it all worked out.

As far as what you said, Amy: "They're learning about sex at younger and younger ages. From other kids, TV, internet, parents who don't feel censorship is important, and sadly... abuse." I agree 100% that is most of the problem. I say most because kids do have that natural curiosity like they always have and always will. But those things you mentioned make it a lot worse! Too bad it's the good kids that have to sometimes suffer.

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It would be funny if it wasn't disgusting. But I suppose it's simply the natural progression toward a society completely averse to physical contact. I figure football will be the next to go as it condones physical touching between boys. Afterall, intent doesn't enter into the matter when deciding if touch is good or bad right? Public Displays of Affection (The old expansion of PDA) will be outlawed as vulgar.

Let's be clear...Don't teach kids that contact is bad..Make them aware of what is appropriate and inappropriate and work from there. If there's no defined difference then we'll soon have kids imprisoned for holding hands if a teacher sees it.

I certainly remember the old rule of "Boys don't hit girls" but if touch is out of the question too, then I suppose human hamster balls will be next.

Way to go Gestapo-chusetts. Keep the good kids feeling like criminals early. That way they'll be prepared for the Dept of Corrections when they grow up.

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Yes, kids may be learning more about sex at an earlier age these days, but there are still things that children are not capable of comprehending at a particular age. A six year old does not know how to be a sexual predator. If he is exposed to sex through the media or through abuse, he may be more prone to touching others inappropriately as a form of mimicry, but it certainly isn't with predatory intent. Sexual harassment implies dominance and forcefulness with the intent to harm. I don't see how on earth a child of six can be accused of that. Development-wise, they are still trying to sort out what's right and wrong.

Here is the article about it from the Boston Globe...pay particular attention to what is cited as the Brockton School District's Sexual Harassment Policy...


Boy's suspension in harassment case outrages mother
Seeks new school for son, 6

By Ralph Ranalli and Raja Mishra, Globe Staff | February 8, 2006

BROCKTON -- A 6-year-old boy suspended last week after school officials said he sexually harassed a girl in his class does not understand what he did wrong and should be moved to another elementary school to avoid becoming stigmatized by the incident, his mother said yesterday.

The Brockton school district gave the boy a three-day suspension on Jan. 30 after conducting an internal investigation -- which they forwarded to the Plymouth district attorney's office. Prosecutors, however, have not brought any charges, in part because state juvenile criminal laws do not apply to those under age 7, said prosecutors.

The suspension outraged the boy's mother, Berthena Dorinvil, who said her son is far too young to know the meaning of sexual harassment.

''What is that supposed to mean? He's only 6 years old. I didn't raise my son like this," she said last night in an interview at her home.

Dorinvil said school administrators told her that her son's infraction was to place his hand inside the waistband of a girl's pants, touching the skin on her back.

Though her son's suspension has ended, Dorinvil has kept him out of school and has filed a request with Brockton schools to move him to another elementary school because she feels he would be treated differently at the school he attended, Joseph H. Downey Elementary.

She said the district has declined the transfer request but offered to move him to another class in the same school. She is appealing that decision and plans to keep the child home indefinitely.

Brockton school officials yesterday defended their decision.

''This was done right by the book," said Cynthia E. McNally, a district spokeswoman. ''This was thoroughly investigated."

School district administrators said Brockton schools have for years had among the state's most thorough and progressive policies on student sexual harassment.

''The safety and well-being of Brockton Public School students and staff is of the utmost importance to us and we take all allegations of sexual harassment very seriously," read a statement released yesterday by Brockton School Superintendent Basan Nembirkow. ''Principals are trained to handle these difficult situations and they are assisted, as needed, by the district's sexual harassment officer in handling each situation."

School officials would not comment on the specifics of the boy's case, citing his privacy rights. The boy was not identified because he is a minor. Downey principal Diane C. Gosselin could not be reached for comment.

Dorinvil is a stay-at-home mother who said she has raised her only child in the conservative moral tradition of Haitian evangelicalism.

She and her husband, Philippe, a school bus driver in Boston, do not let their son watch secular television and have signed up for cable so he can watch religious cartoons.

She said Gosselin called her on Jan. 30 to tell her ''my son was in trouble over a girl." At school, where she found her boy in tears, she said she was informed he had violated the school's sexual harassment policy and would be suspended.

The Brockton school district's student sexual harassment policy, drafted in January of 2004, prohibits ''uninvited physical contact such as touching, hugging, patting, or pinching."

School officials refused to disclose which provision of the policy the boy violated.

''It's a situation within the parameters [of sexual harassment], and we're dealing with it within the parameters," said McNally.

The school district forwarded the evidence to Plymouth District Attorney Timothy J. Cruz's office.

A spokeswoman for Cruz, Bridget Norton Middleton, confirmed the office had reviewed the case, but she refused to comment on it. However, she noted that juvenile crimes apply to those age 7 to 17, with younger children exempt.

Dorinvil said her son has said he does not want to return to Downey because they are ''too mean." She said he is confused over the recent turn of events in his life -- and has questions she finds difficult to answer.

''He doesn't even know what that word 'sexual' is. I don't see how I'm going to explain it to him," she said. ''I can't. He's just too young for that."

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Remember where you saw it first (or second in this case).
:)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/02/09/sex.harass.ap/index.html

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(CBS4) BROCKTON School officials in Brockton are apologizing after suspending a first grader for sexual harassment.

The suspension of the six year-old boy had sparked a public outcry. He was accused of putting two fingers inside a female classmate’s waistband, touching her skin. The boy told his mother he only grabbed her shirt, after the girl touched him first.

On Thursday, the boy’s parents sat down with school officials. Berthena Dorinvil says the school apologized to her family and offered to transfer her son to another elementary school.

The Downey Elementary School also says it will review its policies for handling such cases.

In other words "OOPS...sorry we scarred your six-year-old's fragile little mind. Please don't sue us." Perhaps now these idiots will think before they do something stupid. They'll still do something stupid, mind you, but at least they will think about it first...but they can't help it; ther're bureaucrats--they're trained to do stupid things.

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Let's just remember here, if it wasn't for the foolish mistakes that liberal states make regarding the handling of these types of issues, we might not have NEAR enough of a criminal justice system to keep the prison guards and parole officers employed.

When it comes to ACTUAL victims of sex crimes, you can count on liberal states to err on the side of the assailant to be sure that his/her rights are not infringed even to the point of making the victim feel like a prisoner and making sure the attacker is made as comfortable as possible (At the tax payer's expense of course). But if there's a chance to look like they are being proactive on behalf of a victim, you can be sure they'll do as much political grandstanding as possible, no matter HOW unwarranted, to assure the public that they aren't a bunch of lame duck bureacrats...even at the expense of the sense of well being of a 6 year old child who wouldn't know what the words "sexual misconduct" MEAN.

When we look at the general views presented by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts with regard to victims rights, there simply are none. But when we look at how quickly the commonwealth and it's employees will jump to conclusions for the sake of trying not to look as bad as they are, they can't seem to get enough of the publicity.

Case in point...if someone breaks into your home with the intention of doing you serious bodily harm, Massachusetts says that you are to make a hasty retreat so that you can stay well out of the attacker's way while he destroys your last shred of security. And if he should injure himself while doing so, you'll be sure to receive a call from his attorney stating that he's filing charges for negligence because you turned out the lights as you left and he tripped over your coffee table. But when a 6 year old boy and a 6 year old girl get into a childish spat, it's definitely time to suspend the child and make sure that he's treated like a pariah for the rest of his life.

Now in the State of New Hampshire, if someone should kick in your door and lead you to believe that you're about to experience pain or death with enough depth of sense to write a novel on the subject, you are perfectly within your right to make sure that said SOB is relieved of his ability to do so.

As much as I hate to say this...this kind of behavior on the part of the knee-jerk liberals was brought on by SOME legitimate incidents. I needn't remind most of you of the events prior to Donald P. Timony's death. Things like this are what help teachers like those that decided to suspend this 6 year old to justify their actions as "Preventative Measures". But we need to understand that the laws are written in language that is WIDELY open to interpretation. As such, we have judges and jury's to apply context to these situations such that a man who kills another man in self-defense isn't sentenced to death himself. A little context would have gone a LONG way here. But I suppose that would be asking too much.

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jaylakes wrote:
I needn't remind most of you of the events prior to Donald P. Timony's death.

remind me.... :?:

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OneArmBandit wrote:
Berthena Dorinvil says the school apologized to her family and offered to transfer her son to another elementary school.

Geez, I think they are overreacting all over again. Transferring the kid will only add to the kid's torment and drag out his isolation.

I am not a child educator or school administrator, but I would try to think outside the box. I'd say make an apology to the child and the family just as public as the coverage of the first fiasco (they just did). This would be a good time for the parents to show their child that when people make mistakes, they should be honest, take responsibility for them, and apologize. It applies to children and grownups. I know I'd' be asking for way too much here, but maybe the parents would consider coordinating a private mutual apology (if they in fact both touched each other) or a one way apology if it applies between the two children involved to help drive home the message.

Then the teacher can take the whole class out on a fun field trip where they will all have a chance to interact with one another and hopefully break up some of the tension between the classmates that I am sure will be there if they try to go back to plain business as usual in the classroom.

Think of how awkward it's likely to be if they want to play tag (a game all about touching) without breaking up some of that tension first. Get them out for a few hours and have them forget for a while all the nonsense that just transpired. I'm not saying this is all it will take to repair the damage, but it's a nice start. Plus, there's only so much you can do beyond that formal apology. If you give the kid too much attention or some individual gift or treat him to something too nice, then it's like a reward for what he did, which should not be the case.

I don't have kids yet. So I am probably quite naive at how things are likely to go in a real world kid situation. I will probably start off as an idealist dad and learn from there.

Institutions and organizations have a real problem with apologies because it implies fault and fault can lead to less options during potential litigation.

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GeorgeH wrote:
jaylakes wrote:
I needn't remind most of you of the events prior to Donald P. Timony's death.

remind me.... :?:


Me too because it was before my time.

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Alrighty, for those of you who weren't already aware of the incident that, some would argue, lead to the eventual death of Donald P. Timony, I'll post an explanation. As I am unable to find the news reports surrounding the event, please forgive anything that may seem inaccurate.

The overview was that there was an incident in which several boys at the, then named Methuen East Middle School, sexually assaulted a young girl behind the school building with foreign objects. The eventual publicity and pressure from parents so stressed then principal Donald P. Timony, that he died shortly after the story became public. The superintendant, in an effort to show his support for the work done by Mr. Timony, supported a motion to rename his beloved school in his honor.

This was an incident that legitimately deserved harsh and fast punishment as the students could be found to be fully aware of the gravity of their actions at that age. Quite unfortunately, this incident has prompted educators and caregivers alike to justify knee-jerk reactions to anything that they, in their adult minds, see as potential sexual assaults.

Many of the people who graduated from Methuen High School were attending Methuen East Middle School at the time of the incident and may remember that year when Mr Timony passed away. If any of you have more information, I'm sure it would help to put things into perspective.

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Wow, to do a search attempting to gather information on the death of Donald P. Timony or even an obituary, it's almost like it never happened. There is NOTHING on google or the eagletribune archive page regarding the school's namesake. So THIS is how Massachusetts buries it's mistakes....Awful literal of them isn't it? As I recall, the man was legendary for his contributions. The majority of his students adored the man. The articles I remember reading spoke highly of his reputation. And yet, you can't find a single word surrounding even the DATE of his death. It's almost sick.

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Ya know, I was attending that school when he died. I don't remember what grade I was in. It had to be 6th? But anyway. I was friends with a lot of people that went to school there at that time and I don't ever recall that happening. I am not saying it didn't only that it possibly escaped my mind some how.

As far as adoring him...absolutely. He was an awesome man. I had known him of a sort since 1st grade when his wife was an assistant at Central Elementary. His son, Matthew dated a close family friend around the time of his death. But I do not recall this thing behind the school. How do you? I am sure I am a year older but yet it escapes me.

Really I am not saying this is an untrue story. I just wonder how accurate the time line is.

And as far as it not being posted, obit or the story....The Web didn't exist then. And the Tribune's archives don't go that far back online. I don't the school system talks much about it because who really cares nowadays? I do and you do but do you think the kids who go there do? Do you think the faculty there does? I bet most never met the man. Eventually the school will be renamed. You'll see.

I will join the search and see if I can find anything on him.

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GeorgeH wrote:
Ya know, I was attending that school when he died. I don't remember what grade I was in. It had to be 6th? But anyway. I was friends with a lot of people that went to school there at that time and I don't ever recall that happening. I am not saying it didn't only that it possibly escaped my mind some how.

As far as adoring him...absolutely. He was an awesome man. I had known him of a sort since 1st grade when his wife was an assistant at Central Elementary. His son, Matthew dated a close family friend around the time of his death. But I do not recall this thing behind the school. How do you? I am sure I am a year older but yet it escapes me.

Really I am not saying this is an untrue story. I just wonder how accurate the time line is.

And as far as it not being posted, obit or the story....The Web didn't exist then. And the Tribune's archives don't go that far back online. I don't the school system talks much about it because who really cares nowadays? I do and you do but do you think the kids who go there do? Do you think the faculty there does? I bet most never met the man. Eventually the school will be renamed. You'll see.

I will join the search and see if I can find anything on him.

Makes sense. The Web did technically exist, but not in the way we know it today.

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You'd think maybe at least the school's website would have a section on him, and how the school got the name.

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katevt wrote:
You'd think maybe at least the school's website would have a section on him, and how the school got the name.

No history page at the high school site:

http://www.methuen.k12.ma.us/

Someone should create a wikipedia entry.

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I'm damn glad I didn't live next door to this guy:

BATAVIA, Ohio (March 20) - A man who neighbors say was devoted to his meticulously kept lawn was charged with murder in the shooting of a 15-year-old boy who apparently walked across his yard.
Charles Martin called 911 on Sunday afternoon, saying calmly: "I just killed a kid."
Police, who released the call's contents, said Martin also told the dispatcher: "I've been harassed by him and his parents for five years. Today just blew it up."
Larry Mugrage, whose family lived next door, was shot in the chest with a shotgun. The high school freshman was pronounced dead at a hospital.
Martin, 66, allegedly told police he had several times had problems with neighbors walking on his lawn. He remained jailed without bond Monday. His jailers said no attorney was listed for him.
Neighbors said Martin lived alone quietly, often sitting in front of his one-story home with its neat lawn, well-trimmed shrubbery and flag pole with U.S. and Navy flags flying.
Joanne Ritchie, 46, said Mugrage was known as "a good kid," but she always also considered Martin to be friendly.
Union Township is near Batavia, about 20 miles east of Cincinnati.

Things like this just make you want to ask "what the hell is wrong with people?"

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OneArmBandit wrote:
Things like this just make you want to ask "what the hell is wrong with people?"

I'm not sure I know which part you mean....The kid walking on the man's nice yard or him taking soo long to kill the bastard.

LOL Just kidding. My lawn looks like crap!

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Thats sick......Did he use Hydroseed?

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Just another case of "Gun's don't kill people, Scott's Turf Builder kills people"

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jaylakes wrote:
Just another case of "Gun's don't kill people, Scott's Turf Builder kills people"

LMAO

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MIAMI (Reuters) - A 76-year-old man claiming to be a doctor went door-to-door in a Florida neighborhood offering free breast exams, and was charged with sexually assaulting two women who accepted the offer,

One woman became suspicious after the man asked her to remove all her clothes and began conducting a purported genital exam without donning rubber gloves, investigators said.

The woman then phoned the Broward County Sheriff's Office and the suspect fled. He was arrested at another woman's apartment in the same Lauderdale Lakes neighborhood on Wednesday, a sheriff's spokesman said.

The white-haired suspect, Philip Winikoff, carried a black bag and claimed to be visiting on behalf of a local hospital.

"He told the woman that he was in the neighborhood offering free breast exams," sheriff's spokesman Hugh Graf said in a statement.

At least two women, both in their 30s, let him into their homes and he fondled and sexually assaulted them, the investigators said.

Winikoff was not a doctor, Graf said. He worked as a shuttle driver for an auto dealership.

Now my question is: Who is more idiotic, Philip Winikoff for thinking this was a good idea, or these women for buying his story? "Free breast exam? Well sure, come on in Mr. Dr. I've never met before. Wait right there while I strip so you can cop a feel..." Has human intelligence slipped so far? :roll:

What am I saying? Of course it has!

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#-o

I can't believe two women actually bought into something that could easily be a 6th grade joke. With stuff like this I'm reminded of a great Einstein quote

"There are two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the former."

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Okay all you single guys out there...life is really gonna get really difficult for some of you out there if the rest of the country starts going by Wisconson's example:

Rape law expands to include alcohol
KAREN RIVEDAL
Wisconsin State Journal: Rape law expands to include alcohol

The nation's top party school could get a sobering jolt from a change in state law that puts alcohol on a par with date-rape drugs as an aggravating factor in certain sexual assaults.

The change, long sought by rape- victim advocates in Wisconsin, means that victims who are very drunk during a sexual encounter can be judged incapable of giving consent, triggering a possible second-degree sexual assault charge.

Prior to the change, which took effect in June, a victim who had been drinking typically had to be unconscious to be deemed incapable of consenting to sex.

The law applies to alcohol-related sexual assaults committed by anyone anywhere in the state. But it may have particular resonance on hard-drinking college campuses such as UW- Madison, which was named the country's No. 1 party school by the Princeton Review last year.


"It's a great change," said Carmen Hotvedt, a violence prevention specialist at UW-Madison's University Health Services. "In our educational efforts with students, we define consent as freely given. The (new) law really enforces the educational messages we've been sending for a long time."

Wisconsin had been the only state to exclude alcohol as a potential legal intoxicant in rape cases before the law change, sponsored by Sen. Cathy Stepp, R-Sturtevant.

And while prosecutors say it is likely to be used only rarely - in cases in which victims don't pass out but are so impaired by alcohol they are "unable to appraise their own conduct," as one advocate put it - the change was heralded by experts who work with assault survivors.

"Alcohol is the No. 1 date-rape drug, and we've felt strongly that our statutes should reflect that reality," said Jill Groblewski, spokeswoman for the Wisconsin Coalition Against Sexual Assault.

The coalition started lobbying for the change in the mid-1990s, when language on intoxicants was added to the rape statutes in response to a surge in assaults aided by drugs.

"The change in legislation allows prosecutors to hold offenders accountable who use alcohol to facilitate a sexual assault," Groblewski said. "It gives prosecutors additional charging options."

Just as dangerous

Under state law, having sexual contact with a person incapable of consent because they are under the influence of an intoxicant is defined as second- degree sexual assault. The offense is a Class C felony punishable by a fine up to $100,000 and a prison sentence of up to 25 years.

Dane County District Attorney Brian Blanchard said the change was "long overdue" and is a good thing primarily for the message about alcohol that it sends - namely, that it can be just as dangerous as other drugs.

Blanchard also stressed that the somewhat lower bar on consent standards for victims does not extend to perpetrators, who can be charged for crimes whether they have been drinking or not.

"Alcohol is not an excuse," he said. "It's our job to help jurors understand that people who want to commit sexual assault many times are going to take unfair advantage to get what they want."

The change comes too late for a UW-Madison junior who recently asked Blanchard to press charges against two male students she said raped her after a drunken party when she was a freshman. Laura Dunn said Blanchard told her earlier this month that the case might have been eligible for prosecution if the law had been in effect at the time of the incident in April 2004.

Without it, Dunn's ability to consent could have become an issue, she said Blanchard told her, in part because she cannot remember all of the details of the alleged attack and no one else witnessed it. She said she told the men to stop, but acknowledged she had been drinking heavily that night and repeatedly lost and regained consciousness during the incident.

"I can't remember 90 percent of it," Dunn said. "I just know I didn't want it, and I know I made it clear."

Delay a factor

Blanchard last week confirmed that his office declined to prosecute the case, which was investigated by campus police and forwarded to his office in May. He said it wouldn't be ethical for him to discuss his specific reasons for rejecting it.

In general, though, Blanchard said sexual assault cases involving long delays - Dunn waited 15 months to report hers - and alcohol use by victims and perpetrators can be harder to win in court.

"If jurors believe that inhibitions were down and everybody was drinking, it may be regarded as regretted but essentially consented sex," Blanchard said.

Blanchard stressed that declining to take a case doesn't necessarily mean prosecutors think it doesn't have merit.

"We certainly see cases in which we completely believe the account given by the alleged victim," Blanchard said, "but we have proof problems and we don't feel it's fair to anybody, including the victim, to charge and take to trial a case that we're pretty certain we're going to lose."

UW-Madison's Dean of Students office, which also investigated the incident, declined to levy any academic sanctions against the men. One of them had already graduated and moved away by the time Dunn reported the incident and the other also has graduated.

UW-Madison Police Chief Susan Riseling declined to discuss the case in detail. But she praised the change in the law, calling it "recognition that just because someone has used alcohol doesn't mean they are any less a victim/survivor."

DAMN...some of you guys would be really unlucky...

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Can anyone explain to me why a guy would get charged if he and a woman were BOTH drunk? Obviously both were incapable of making a proper decision. So why is it a guys responsibility to know right from wrong at that point.

I think guys have a hard enough time not thinking with their dicks to begin with. They are already vulnerable. Why not charge the girl?

I obviously don't believe that. I am a non drinker. I used to plenty. Everyone who takes a drink knows they are going to do things they wouldn't necessarily do sober. It's a risk you take.

I'm not saying rape doesn't still happen but a woman...or a man (ya right) doesn't have the right to wake up the next morning next to Sasquach(sp) and say. "You raped me, I didn't mean to say yes last night....IT WAS THE BEER TALKING!"

That's bull!

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WATERTOWN, N.Y. (Aug. 21) - The minister of a church that dismissed a female Sunday School teacher after adopting what it called a literal interpretation of the Bible says a woman can perform any job - outside of the church.

The First Baptist Church dismissed Mary Lambert on Aug. 9 with a letter explaining that the church had adopted an interpretation that prohibits women from teaching men. She had taught there for 54 years.
The letter quoted the first epistle to Timothy: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."
The Rev. Timothy LaBouf, who also serves on the Watertown City Council, issued a statement saying his stance against women teaching men in Sunday school would not affect his decisions as a city leader in Watertown, where all five members of the council are men but the city manager who runs the city's day-to-day operations is a woman.
"I believe that a woman can perform any job and fulfill any responsibility that she desires to" outside of the church, LaBouf wrote Saturday.
Mayor Jeffrey Graham, however, was bothered by the reasons given Lambert's dismissal.
"If what's said in that letter reflects the councilman's views, those are disturbing remarks in this day and age," Graham said. "Maybe they wouldn't have been disturbing 500 years ago, but they are now."
Lambert has publicly criticized the decision, but the church did not publicly address the matter until Saturday, a day after its board met.
In a statement, the board said other issues were behind Lambert's dismissal, but it did not say what they were.

Can anyone say WTF!!!!

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OneArmBandit wrote:

Can anyone say WTF!!!!

Sweet.
Sounds like the Christian version of the Taliban.

:roll:

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That is a very popular stance out here in the middle of the country. I can't wait till a woman is president. But my daughter's only 9 so we have to wait another 26 years for that.

Seriously though....I don't know how any woman could be married to a man who believes she's not good enough or smart enough to tell a man what to do or "help" him interpret the bible.